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I was around for the crappy Asian guitars of the 's and 's. I have upgraded the electronics wiring, not pickups on most of my Korean models, but I also got most of them for under original cost. But, I know a lot of folks like the 5-piece laminated necks, on the Korean versions, as well as their overall quality. But if I was a 17 year old again, first time buyer. Yeah they're not Gibsons, but this is an Epiphone forum so relatively speaking it is worth discussing the differences in quality and desirable within the Epiphone market, even just for our own amusement and knowledge. I'm still getting familiar with it, but the quality s certainly there. I recently saw a newer Joe Pass model in a store, and it was not even close to my Samick. More often than not I have made a decent profit on all my epiphone sales and people continue to sell them profitably on ebay every day which flies in the face of the low expectations of your bottom line conclusion. I agree. The Japanese have already done it. I feel the 2 Dots are different, but I can't say one is really better - just different. I've owned dozens of Epi's over the years and think the Chinese are better. As more players find out about the high quality and reasonable prices of the new models, they'll wise up and Korean prices will fall. Now they're turning out the guitars they've always wanted to. As a buyer of both Korean and Chinese currently more Korean I am inclined to say that the new quality of the recent Chinese models would not stop me from buying a clean 90s Korean model. It's only a matter of time for China and Korea. I think just prior to the switch to Chinese production in , the Koreans improved, for whatever reason, but they're still not any better than the Chinese ones. The top had barely any arch at all, and the shape was more squared off from the graceful curves of my Samick. I really love them both. Not saying that I would rule it out completely as I like the Korean stuff, especially the peerless hollowbodies, but I'd be reluctant to pay the prices they were going for 5 years ago, now. I never would have believed that imports could be of the quality that Epi's been doing for more than a decade now. Do you think the new trend of Chinese made Epiphones, inspired by their originals, will make the previously championed Korean models from Samick, Peerless and Unsung factories become less desirable? I just put a bid in for a friend's Peerless Epiphone Casino which maybe proves that the korean second hand market will still thrive as Chinese guitars become the norm. Old and new. The electronics are better now too many Koreans had mini-pots. However, I DO much prefer the body sillouette, on the Chinese versions. Most of them were horrible. Well, maybe not. Epiphone's many years of making hollow body electrics has shone through - they still do it very well, and I do agree they are improving steadily. The distinctions are getting blurred and will continue to. I wouldn't be as keen to go out and buy a Korean Casino, Sheraton, Riviera or Sorrento now knowing for a bit extra I can get a much more faithful replica of the 60s model that originally had its name. Second hand BS or not, used korean epiphones do sell up in the regions of brand new chinese versions when talking about a standard models. The 90s Korean models will not be reproduced I doubt Epiphone will ever produce a "96 Period Correct Peerless Casino Reissue" Epiphone produced some great reissues and originals Del Rey, for one that I keep looking for and will buy. I've "heard" but, not seen Don't know if that's a fact, or "wishful thinking? Epiphone's factory, new machinery and tooling, they control the whole process. I've seen some flagrant examples of this on eBay, for guitars that aren't half as good as the current production Chinese models.

By clarkussFebruary 16, in Epiphone Electrics. I have 3 chinese Epi's. I doubt it, but I have an '04 GDeluxe flametop I have a MIK Dot, not sure of the maker.

In my opinion, Korean or 1997 epiphone casino Chinese are both good alternatives to their more expensive Gibson cousins. I have never bought a brand new epiphone. Granted the early Chinese had their issues, but so did 1997 epiphone casino Koreans. I think the quality of the Chinese made Epiphones is extremely good.

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There's no 1997 epiphone casino between the upgraded humbuckers Epi's had the last couple years, to the cheap ones in Koreans. It's more the traditional "Gibson" style So, IF they're now putting on the "Korean style" 5-piece necks, they'd be just 1997 epiphone casino "perfect!

The various Korean factories employed by Epiphone have all displayed a level of tightly QCed construction - some a bit more so than others at various points in time, but universally Samick, Peerless, Saein, and Unsung have built very fine guitars as they competed for Epi contracts.

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But compared to the newer trend of Chinese 60s tribute models, I think they are aesthetically less pleasing.

Woods and finishes are clearly of lower quality as well, though the build quality seems pretty decent. You can only compare like for like.

The specialty models that were never made in Korea are a different story some of those may become more desirable to collectors as they become less available. It's a beautiful guitar, all black wonderful player - it had a fret job when I bought it used several years ago. And interestingly, this aspect of construction is completely in the hands of Gibson - exactly the stated rationale for pulling out of Korea of course along with cheaper labor! The strengthening of pickups, switches, tuners, etc, has become apparent, but there have been many posts regarding spotty build quality from Gibson's Chinese factories. With the internet, musicians are better-informed and more saavy than ever. It's more mellow than my other Dot, which is a Chinese made Natural. So I guess I might be one of those you could categorize as a true lover of Epiphone Guitars. Many of the designs have been compromised to that end, so I seriously doubt that the standard Chinese models will eclipse the Korean ones when they are apples-to-apples comparisons. But with the new line of 60s styled models, I think these new chinese guitars will start to trump the korean models and see the price of korean standard guitars fall, something that is worth discussing among people who purchase epiphone guitars Your generalisations, while partly true, are instinctively known to everyone who buys an epiphone, but hasn't really added to the converation, as they are not always true when put into practice. It's just the reality of producing large 's of instruments. There's millions of guitar players all over the world today, and they're demanding more and more value. I only want that Peerless Casino for sentimental reasons but I know for the same money I can get one of equally good build and better electronics which is more accurate to a 60s style Casino than the Peerless one and would have better resale value. It's an incredibly competitive market. Many American-made guitars are priced well above their cost, and that's forcing many of them to offer budget product lines if they want to sell in decent quanities, and those aren't much better than today's imports. The workmanship is very good, and they're much more consistent overall. But in my own experience, I rank the overall build quality of my one Chinese guitar, a 50th Anniversary '61 Casino,. I also keep looking at the new models which I like and will probably purchase depending on model. Can't speak about the other models, as I have NO experience, there. While the overall quality control of Chinese Epiphones has improved in recent years and become much more consistent, aside from a few particular models like the '61 reissues , the specs have clearly been changed for the worse. An increasing number of imports are coming stock with much better PU's, including American-made ones, and some have high quality electronics. The Chinese versions had a bit of a "time of it," at first, but seem to be very nicely made, now. Caveat Emptor - do your homework and you should be able to find a good one that should give you many years of reliable service. I expect imports to keep improving in quality until they eventually catch up with American-mades. I may be wrong, but I've a hunch that if it has an "Epiphone" brand for real , the deciding factor likely will be the playability, degree of wear, and asking price versus desire of the buyer more than the particular factory. F-holes on many models have been widened, probably to make installation of the wiring harness easier, but they look oddly distorted to my eyes. I think so I think some may always prefer the Korean Epi Sheraton's. The grover tuners that Epi's been using lately are excellent, tough and reliable, never had a problem with them. Take my '70s Guild Sc for example. As for whether the new quality would put me off of buying a clean Korean, I don't think so. If it's a good guitar, it's a good guitar period. In comparison the 's Koreans usually had cheap generic tuners. Now it seems as if the equation has flipped to some extent. 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